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John de SeInt Johan (St John); Thomas de Lucy. de SeInt Johan (St John); de Lucy...

Catalogue reference: SC 8/313/E92

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Reference
SC 8/313/E92
Date
[1300-1302]
Description
Petitioners
John de SeInt Johan (St John); Thomas de Lucy.
Name(s)
de SeInt Johan (St John); de Lucy, John; Thomas
Addressees
King.
Places mentioned
Allerdale, [Cumberland]
Inglewood, [Cumberland]
Cockermouth, [Cumberland]
Cumberland.
Nature of request
Seint Johan and Lucy request that they be rented the soil as they hold the wood and the covert in their holding of the wood of Allerdale and a great part of the wood of Inglewood with all that pertains to the manor of Cockermouth but many people by sufferance of the king's ministers enclose great parts of their wood by which they lose their rights to pannage and other privileges.
Nature of endorsement
1) This petition is answered in the same way as that of John de St John. 2) Let it remain.
Note
The petition dates to the period 1300-1302. Robert de Clifford, justice of the forest was ordered with others to arrent the wastes of Allerdale and commit them to tenants in January 1300 (CPR 1292-1301, p.486). St John was not appointed to lieutenant in Cumberland, Westmorland and Lancaster until September 1300, and acquired his interest in Allerdale at the same time (CPR 1292-1301, pp.537-8). St John was dead by 1 November 1302 when his executors were granted that they could continue to receive the issues from several estates in which he presumably had had a life interest until Martinmas of that year (CPR 1301-7, p.69). Consequently the petition is likely to date to the period September 1300 to later 1302.
Related material

For a related petition from Lucy concerning the woods of Allerdale see SC 8/1/48

For a further petition by these petitioners see SC 8/80/3967

Held by
The National Archives, Kew
Legal status
Public Record(s)
Language
French
Closure status
Open Document, Open Description
Publication note(s)
Northern Petitions Illustrative of Life in Berwick, Cumbria and Durham in the Fourteenth Century, Ed. C.M. Fraser, (Surtees Society, vol. CXCIV, 1981), pp.126-7 (no.92) (full edition of petition)
Record URL
https://beta.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/id/C9529143/

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