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John Says, one of the King's tenants of Montgomery. Says John King. John Says states...
Catalogue reference: SC 8/256/12779
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Reference (The unique identifier to the record described, used to order and refer to it)
- SC 8/256/12779
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Date (When the record was created)
- [c. 1383]
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Description (What the record is about)
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- Petitioners
- John Says, one of the King's tenants of Montgomery.
- Name(s)
- Says, John
- Addressees
- King.
- Nature of request
- John Says states that purely because he showed the King's right as one of his tenants, one Ieuan de Dwyllym, a tenant of the Bishop of Hereford seized him on the high road within the Bishop's lordship, and took him out of the Bishop's lordship to the Earl of Arundel's castle of Clun, where he imprisoned him for eight days. He requests a remedy.
- Nature of endorsement
- [On face] Sent to the council to give him justice and reason.[On dorse] John Says and Robert ap Robert have a day to appear before the King's council with suitable warning, on pain of 500 marks to be paid by them for the King's benefit, to answer for a certain contempt committed by them against the King.
- Places mentioned
- Montgomery, [Montgomeryshire, Wales]
- Clun, [Shropshire].
- People mentioned
- Ieuan de Dwyllym
- [John Gilbert], Bishop of Hereford
- [Richard Fitz Alan], Earl of Arundel
- Montagu (Montague)
- Robert ap Robert.
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Note (Additional information about the record)
- Datable to c. 1383 by the hand and by disputes between the men of the lordships of Montgomery and Bishop's Castle at that time (see Petitions Relating to Wales p.430).
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Related material (A cross-reference to other related records)
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For another petition concerning disputes between the men of Montgomery and of the Bishop of Hereford, see SC 8/255/12708
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Held by (Who holds the record)
- The National Archives, Kew
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Legal status (A note as to whether the record being described is a Public Record or not)
- Public Record(s)
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Language (The language of the record)
- French
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Closure status (Whether the record is ‘open’ (available to the public) or ‘closed’ (not available due to a legal exemption))
- Open Document, Open Description
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Publication note(s) (A note of publications related to the record)
- Calendar of Ancient Petitions Relating to Wales, Board of Celtic Studies, History and Law, (University of Wales, 1975), p.430 (calendar of petition)
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Record URL
- https://beta.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/id/C9440386/
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SC 8
Special Collections: Ancient Petitions
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