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Eleanor Fitz John, widow of Herbert Fitz John. Fitz John Eleanor King and council....

Catalogue reference: SC 8/111/5535

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Reference
SC 8/111/5535
Date
[1327-1331]
Description
Petitioners
Eleanor Fitz John, widow of Herbert Fitz John.
Name(s)
Fitz John, Eleanor
Addressees
King and council.
Nature of request
Fitz John requests remedy and that right is done to her concerning her dower, as lands in England and Wales settled upon her are now in the king's hand.
Nature of endorsement
[On face:] Fitz Reynald gave the lands to the king and the king has a right in them.[On dorse:] She should declare in whose hand the lands now exist, and if it some other than the king then she should sue at the common law. If they are in the hand of the king she should show what she has for the assent of her late husband's father upon the assignment of the dower at the door of the church. Afterwards she came and showed the writing that attested that her late husband gave dower to her in the lands named in the petition, and another writing that attested the assent of her father. Because the lands are in the king's hand, therefore coram rege.Coram rege.
Places mentioned
Harescombe, [Gloucestershire]
Wales
Blaenllyfni, [Breconshire, Wales]
Bwlch-y-Dinas, [Breconshire, Wales]
Llanelieu, [Breconshire, Wales]
Cathedine, [Breconshire, Wales]
Llyn Safaddu, [Breconshire, Wales]
Caldicot, [Monmouthshire, Wales]
Pontesbury, [Shropshire]
The Home, [Shropshire]
Crookham, [Berkshire].
People mentioned
Herbert Fitz John, late husband of the petitioner
John Fitz Reynald, father of Herbert Fitz John.
Note
An inquisition into this matter, in response to a petition, was ordered on 22 February 1327, while a further inquisition and the order to the escheator to deliver dower to the petitioner date to 28 January and 11 May 1331 respectively (CIM 1307-49, no.1252; CCR 1330-3, p.232). This is either the original petition or a later stage in the same process. For discussion of the background, see R.R. Davies, Lordship and Society in the March of Wales 1282-1400, p.45.
Related material

For another petition by the same petitioner concerning her dower, see SC 8/17/812

For another petition by the same petitioner see SC 8/111/5537

For another petition from the same petitioner, see SC 8/54/2680

Held by
The National Archives, Kew
Former department reference
Parliamentary Petition 3477
Legal status
Public Record(s)
Language
French
Closure status
Open Document, Open Description
Publication note(s)
  • Calendar of Close Rolls, Edw III, vol. II, 1330-1333, (Public Record Office, 1898), p.232 (order to the escheator to assign a third of the castles, honour and lands)
  • Calendar of Inquisitions Miscellaneous, vol. II, Edw II - 22 Edw III, (Public Record Office, 1916), no.1252 (inquisition on the matter of the petitioner's dower)
  • Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, vol. VII, 1-9 Edw III, (Public Record Office, 1909), no.95 (inquisition into Eleanor's petition claiming her dower)
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