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Transferred to SC 5/8/6 and subsequently to C 47/8/1
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John de Seint Johan (St John); Thomas de Lucy. de Seint Johan (St John); de Lucy...
Catalogue reference: SC 8/80/3967
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Reference (The unique identifier to the record described, used to order and refer to it)
- SC 8/80/3967
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Date (When the record was created)
- [1300-1302]
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Description (What the record is about)
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- Petitioners
- John de Seint Johan (St John); Thomas de Lucy.
- Name(s)
- de Seint Johan (St John); de Lucy, John; Thomas
- Addressees
- King and council.
- Places mentioned
- Allerdale, [Cumberland]
- Inglewood Forest, [Cumberland].
- Nature of request
- The petitioners request remedy as they hold the wood of Allerdale in common so that none can make enclosures in severalty, but approvers have returned. The king came and wished to make approvements to Seint John's damage, and Lucy's disinheritance. Lucy's right was enquired of by Chancery writ which was returned, and Lucy had a writ to the approvers to cease their enclosure until otherwise ordered.
- Nature of endorsement
- The king wishes . . . in sufferance of his approvement as long as Seint John holds the manor of Cockermouth of the king's grant.
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Note (Additional information about the record)
- The petition dates to the period 1300-1302. Robert de Clifford, justice of the forest was ordered with others to arrent the wastes of Allerdale and commit them to tenants in January 1300 (CPR 1292-1301, p.486). St John was not appointed to lieutenant in Cumberland, Westmorland and Lancaster until September 1300, and acquired his interest in Allerdale at the same time (CPR 1292-1301, pp.537-8). St John was dead by 1 November 1302 when his executors were granted that they could continue to receive the issues from several estates in which he presumably had had a life interest until Martinmas of that year (CPR 1301-7, p.69). Consequently the petition is likely to date to the period September 1300 to later 1302.
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Related material (A cross-reference to other related records)
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For a further petition by the petitioners see SC 8/313/E92
For a related petition by Lucy concerning the woods of Allerdale see SC 8/1/48
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Held by (Who holds the record)
- The National Archives, Kew
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Former department reference (Former identifier given by the originating creator)
- Parliamentary Petition 7809
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Legal status (A note as to whether the record being described is a Public Record or not)
- Public Record(s)
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Language (The language of the record)
- French
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Closure status (Whether the record is ‘open’ (available to the public) or ‘closed’ (not available due to a legal exemption))
- Open Document, Open Description
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Publication note(s) (A note of publications related to the record)
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- Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edw I, vol. III, 1292-1301, (Public Record Office, 1895), p.486 (order to arrent and tenant the king's waste in Allerdale) & pp.537-8 (grant of the Lieutenancy of Cumberland, Westmorland and Lancaster along with estates)
- Northern Petitions Illustrative of Life in Berwick, Cumbria and Durham in the Fourteenth Century, Ed. C.M. Fraser, (Surtees Society, vol. CXCIV, 1981), pp.125-6 (no.91) (full edition of petition)
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Record URL
- https://beta.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/id/C9107743/
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