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Executors of William de Ros of Helmsley. King and council. The executors of William...
Catalogue reference: SC 8/69/3412
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Reference (The unique identifier to the record described, used to order and refer to it)
- SC 8/69/3412
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Date (When the record was created)
- [c. 1316]
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Description (What the record is about)
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- Petitioners
- Executors of William de Ros of Helmsley.
- Addressees
- King and council.
- Nature of request
- The executors of William de Ros of Helmsley state that because Robert de Ros held part of his lands of the King of the earldom of Aumale, which is in the King's hand, and part of William de Ros, and this by priority of feoffment, William, before his death, challenged the King's right to the marriage of Robert's heir. His executors ask the King and council, in consideration of the Great Charter, to try to whom this marriage belongs.
- Nature of endorsement
- [Deleted] Coram rege et magno consilio.[Deleted] Per dominum Jacobum de Brincle.The lord King has long been seised of such marriages and their profit, in all cases similar to this one. Therefore it does not seem to the council that the King ought to lose this profit or his long seisin, until something else has been ordained on this by the King and his council in full parliament.
- Places mentioned
- Hamelak (Helmsley), [North Riding of Yorkshire].
- People mentioned
- William de Ros
- Robert de Ros
- James de Brincle.
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Note (Additional information about the record)
- CCR 1313-8 p.184 is dated 3 June 1315, and would seem to be in response to William's challenge. It states that the original order to the Escheator beyond Trent not to intermeddle further with the lands that Robert de Ros held of lords other than the King was dated 1 June, 4 Edward II (1311). CFR 1307-19 p.295 is dated 16 August 1316, so the petition would seem to date from around then or later.CFR 1307-19 p.243 has no date, but seems to belong to 1310 or 1311.
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Related material (A cross-reference to other related records)
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Another petition about the lands of the heir of Robert de Ros is SC 8/69/3411
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Held by (Who holds the record)
- The National Archives, Kew
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Former department reference (Former identifier given by the originating creator)
- Parliamentary Petition 6947
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Legal status (A note as to whether the record being described is a Public Record or not)
- Public Record(s)
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Language (The language of the record)
- French
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Closure status (Whether the record is ‘open’ (available to the public) or ‘closed’ (not available due to a legal exemption))
- Open Document, Open Description
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Publication note(s) (A note of publications related to the record)
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- Calendar of Close Rolls, Edw II, vol. II, 1313-1318, (Public Record Office, 1893), p.184 (order to the Escheator not to intermeddle further with lands that William de Ros entered as a result of the King's order not to intermeddle further with lands that Robert de Ros held of lords other than the king)
- Calendar of Fine Rolls, vol. II, Edw II, 1307-1319, (Public Record Office, 1912), p.243 (grant to Robert Darcy and William de Vallibus of the wardship of the lands of Robert de Ros until the majority of the heir, with his marriage) & p.295 (order to the Escheators to take into the king's hand the lands of William de Ros of Helmsley, deceased)
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Record URL
- https://beta.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/id/C9107183/
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