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Robert le Conestable (Constable) of Holderness. Conestable (Constable) Robert King...

Catalogue reference: SC 8/40/1980

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Reference
SC 8/40/1980
Date
[c. 1317]
Description
Petitioners
Robert le Conestable (Constable) of Holderness.
Name(s)
Conestable (Constable), Robert
Addressees
King and council
Nature of request
Conestable shows that the keeping of the body and lands of Amand de Routh pertained to him because his father had held from him by knight service. Conestable has the keeping of the lands, but Amand refused to deliver himself to Conestable and resided with St Quintin and brought a targe of the king though the king had no rights. Conestable brought his writ of wardship against St Quintin and has long sued at the common law but the justices have refused to proceed to judgement as St Quintin showed his targe. Conestable requests that he be able to have writs to the justices that they proceed to judgement in the plea notwithstanding the targe that he can have law and reason.
Nature of endorsement
Let it be ordered to the justices of the Bench that when they have viewed the record and process of the plea whereof the petition makes mention, that then they should do justice to the parties notwithstanding orders of the privy seal. And if the cause is such that they do not wish to proceed in the process, that then they should certify the cause to the king.
Places mentioned
Holderness, [East Riding of Yorkshire]
People mentioned
Amand [de Routh], son and heir of John de Routh
John de Routh
Herbert de Seynt Quyntyn (St Quintin)
[William Melton] Archbishop of York, formerly Provost of Beverley and Keeper of the Privy Seal.
Note
The petition refers to the 'king who is now dead', and this suggests 1327 or shortly thereafter, and is the date suggested on the guard. However this seems implausable as a chancery warrant and an enrolment on the close rolls suggest that the dispute was current in 1311 (CCR 1307-13, p.282; C 81/80/2210). Obviously a dispute over wardship that was current in 1311 could not be continuing in the way that it is phrased in this petition by 1327 as an heir who was old enough to refuse to surrender himself to the petitioner would certainly have been of age by 1327. Instead it seems more likely that this petition dates to some point after the consecration of Melton as Archbishop in 1317, and that the dead king was not Edward II but Edward I, Melton having ceased being keeper of the privy seal in 1312.
Related material

For a related but badly damaged warrant see piece 2210 in C 81/80

For another petition by the same petitioner, see SC 8/210/10480

For a related petition see SC 8/265/13221

For a counter petition by St Quintin, see SC 8/172/8553

Held by
The National Archives, Kew
Former department reference
Parliamentary Petition 1323
Legal status
Public Record(s)
Language
French
Closure status
Open Document, Open Description
Publication note(s)
Calendar of Close Rolls, Edw II, vol. I, 1307-1313, (Public Record Office, 1892), p.282 (order to the justices of the Bench not to put St Quintin in default as he is in royal service)
Record URL
https://beta.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/id/C9062184/

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