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Date: 1954 Sept 16-1956 Nov 15
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Folios 274-284. [Continued from MH 12/5969/] Deposition of Thomas McKenna, before...
Catalogue reference: MH 12/5969/143
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- Folios 274-284. [Continued from MH 12/5969/] Deposition of Thomas McKenna, before Farnall, 24 May 1852. He has been employed as deputy registrar for a Liverpool district for 2 years to go round and check births. He has also been employed by some of the medical officers, namely Steel, Emett and Callow, to locate cases for vaccination. He has found parents reluctant to have their children vaccinated and this has increased lately. He feels this is because someone, named Hollis in the local newspapers, has been spreading rumours that the doctors receive 1s 6d for each vaccination and that the 'matter' used is bad. He has been told this by Mrs Davis of Blenheim Street, two other women, who he can trace, in Bond Street and many others. As a consequence it has been much harder to get children vaccinated. He is paid 4d for each case. He has been employed by Steel, Donlevy and Emett for 3 months, Dr Calaghan for 4 months and Mr McClellan for nearly 2 years, but is not now employed as he is too busy. Deposition of Michael Murphy, before Farnall, 24 May 1852. A person, who he identified as Hollis, called at his place of business asking his servant, in a peremptory manner, about vaccination cases. When he had calmed down he said that he was employed by the parish and that he had a number of cases against Campine. Murphy later understood that this related to vaccinations which had been charged but not performed, but commented that Campine's character was likely to be injured if he spoke to many other people in that way. He subsequently wrote to Campine. Hollis threatened to obtain a warrant if Murphy's servant did not answer his questions. Deposition of Frederick Cornet, before Farnall, 24 May 1852. He said that he had initialled lists of successful vaccinations without visiting or investigating them, trusting the word of the doctors and was not aware of anything wrong. He has since visited about two thirds of the cases. Before being appointed to verifying the vaccinators he was a porter. He knew Campine, who vaccinated for Emett. The relieving officers distributed bread tickets, but he never gave Campine any bread tickets or knew personally of any poor selling their tickets, although such things were known. Campine told him that he was able to buy any quantity and Cornet replied that he was accused of having sold him bread tickets. He accompanied Graham to see some, but not all, of the vaccination cases and verified his list for the medical officers. He did not verify Heston's, Campine's or any of the other medical officers' assistants' cases in this way. He took the medical officers' signatures as sufficient guarantee. Deposition of Thomas McKenna, before Farnall, 24 May 1852. He has seen Gavin at the enquiry, but not at his home and was not aware that he had an orphan girl living with him. He was employed by Emett to find vaccination cases for him and remembers booking a child called Mary Lovell. He thought that he was present when she was vaccinated, but did not hear Emett offer her sixpence. Cross examined by Gavin: he repeated that he had not heard Emett offering the child sixpence. He went to the doctor's house that evening, but did not see Gavin there and never gave him a bread ticket. Deposition of Mary Hargraves, weeks ending 19 August 1852, 13 September 1852, 6 December 1852. Charges relating to Emett. Cases: 44 Thomas Hargraves. 45 Bridget Cannon. 82 Mary Jones. 202 John Hargraves. 203 James Cousins. 41 Mary Simpson. She is the wife of Thomas Hargraves and they have just two children, Mary Jane Hargraves, 9, and Thomas Hargraves, 10 months. Mary Jane was vaccinated by the Ladies Charity when a month old and Thomas in July 1851, when also about month old. A 'tall dark complexioned man' had called looking for children to vaccinate. She said she thought Thomas too young, but consented and it was done. He told her to go to his place in Limekiln Lane if the child needed any medicine. The following week he called again, and she told him that he had already vaccinated the child but it had not taken. He told her that she must be mistaken, but vaccinated the child again. He then asked her maiden name (Mary Jones) and noted the child by that surname. This vaccination did not take. The following week when a 'sandy haired man' called she told him that the vaccination had not taken. He then revaccinated and she told him the child's name was Thomas Hargraves, but he said that if the child had already been vaccinated he would put the name down as John Hargraves. He said that he had been vaccinating in another district, but he would put it down for her address. If anyone enquired about it she was to say that the mother had been a lodger there and had since left. He mentioned and noted a girls name, but she has forgotten the name. None of these three vaccinations took and no one else called to make enquiries. In December 1851 a 'dark man', who said he had come from the Ladies Charity and who she had not seen before, called to enquire for children to be vaccinated. When told that Thomas had been unsuccessfully vaccinated three times he wanted to cut him on the leg. His parents refused to allow this and he was vaccinated on the arm. This took and he said he would call again with some medicine, but he never came back. The only person who has made any subsequent enquiries is Ollis. She does not know anyone called Simpson, no one of that name has lived in their house and they have never had a lodger. There are not 31 courts in Cavendish Street (the address given in the medical officer's list). [Continued at MH 12/5969/]
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